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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.31 03:51:00 -
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Ok,
So I was sitting running a few level 4 missions for the heck of it, and the command agent offers me some goofy mining mission named Mother Lode. It says I have to mine 2800 units of some crap called polygypsum. So I read the obectives which are copied and pasted here to decide if I should do the mission.I accepted it btw: - a direct copy and paste from the mission:
Mother Lode Objectives
the following objectives must be completed to finish the mission:
Bring Item Objective
Item
2800 units of Polygypsum (44800.0 m¦)
Objective
Mine 2,800 units of Polygypsum for your agent.
Rewards
The following rewards will be yours if you complete this mission:
Mining Polygypsum
Polygypsum is widely considered worthless because of the dangers associated with storing and refining it. As a result, you won't find this ore on the market. In fact, for this reason, most sensor manufacturers don't even bother putting it as a unique entry in the computers when they install standard ship scanners.
If you're having trouble finding the correct ore at the mission location, you can right-click the "Polygypsum" icon in your mission's Journal entry and select "Add to Overview."
So, unless I am stupid- they are asking for 2800 units of Polygypsum.
Well I get about 3700 units and try to complete the mission. The agent said I did not complete the objectives. Since I needed to move on, I petitioned this as it is a clear bug. I have exactly what the mission asks for. Instead the following is the response from GM Macayle:
HI
Your mission will not complete until you mine all the ore at the location given. That is the only way to complete this mission or decline it.
Best regards,
GM Macayle
EVE Online Customer Support
I made it crystal clear that the mission objectives said 2800- not 20,000 or 30,000 or whatever. The follow up from another GM was well written and of course not thought out at all:
Hi, I am afraid that my colleague is quite correct, in order to complete this mission you must mine all of the asteroids at the location. I am sorry for any inconvenience caused by this. If you need anything further then please contact us again.
Best regards,
GM Kaliastra
The EVE Online Customer Support Team
I assume that the GMĘs go to the store and in their minds expect to pay 200 dollars for a 3 dollar cup of Latte. Also if a car has a price tag of 20,000 dollars on the window, that must mean 100,000 dollars.
Or better yet- if their boss says to stay until 6pm, they mean stay for two weeks without going home and if they do they are fired.
Be warned- the mission is a lie, what the objectives are called out for are lies- and the GMĘs do not read petetions, they copy and paste empty crap that keeps them from having to actually think.
I will close the mission and lose faction since I only mined about 1000 units more than they clearly called out. CCP should screen GMĘs much closer.
GM motto- customer is never correctą
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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.31 04:36:00 -
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I have 3800 units and they are 16 m3 each. I mined them with an alt.
I know units from m3.
I have more than the mission calls out for
I know more than the GM's do- they did not care about the problem, and I cannot conceive why I would be banned for enlightening the Eve communnity on their excellent handling of this situation. As well as letting people know that this mission is complete garbage and terribly written.
For the guy who thinks that the mission has only enough ore to satisfy the mission- I can show you that the mission has about triple the polygypsum needed, you canot buy this on the market. Or I would buy it to finish the mission...duh
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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.31 04:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Professor Leech
The problem here is that you haven't triggered the objective flag. I'm assuming you've mined this either side of dt. Until you mine the full amount in one go the completion flag won't trigger.
That's how mining missions work.
If you are struggling with a GM you can request escalation. This will send it to a more senior GM. However, you should note that the GM answered the question correctly but did not elaborate on it.
so if a mission asks for 2800 units of something and you mine it plus extra- it should not be complete?
if a mission asks you to silence the informant, and you kill him, it should not be complete unless you do it just right- or in the same sitting? If you start it and finish before or after downtime it is not considered complete?
I am not getting the logic.
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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.31 05:01:00 -
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Edited by: Darth Matt on 31/03/2010 05:02:44
I started the mission...was falling asleep and restarted the next day. once I blew past the objective amount- I tried to complete the mission.
To mine every drop of ore to complete is plain sillyness- hence why I posted what the GM's wrote- they did not care that I completed the objective, they merely copied and pasted the standard response.
looky- I got edited...oh well...guess they dont want their pals being picked on...oh well
this hopefully will help other people whom accidentally take this terrible mission. Dont do it...just grind worlds collide and forget trying something new-
What does it matter if I mined with an alt- I was 1000 meters away in a bustard ahuling the stupid ore...i dont fly mining ships or train mining skills...
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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.31 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Leech
Quite right I missed that, but probably because it was hard to sift through all the gibberish.
Gibberish?
could have been 2 lines I guess-
1. I mined with my gang which were all present in the belt like every other mission I have ever done ya noob more than the amount on the mission objectives- all my accounts.
2. When someone is too stupid to come up with a logical reason for CCP's mistakes- they blame the victim...cause they are noobs...hence you, since this is confusing gibberish- I figured I would clarify.
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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.03.31 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Darth Matt on 31/03/2010 12:11:42
Actually a few people who are not only cool and not condescending- but have some interesting response.Wow!
For the folks who are trying to compare to combat missions- Apples and oranges folks.
Would you like a list of the "Combat missions" that you can blitz in about 2 minutes?(or less)
If it says get the documents from "x" you can blitz up to that and get it- others say to get some spiced wine, and you fly in and them out and give them some spiced wine you have sitting in your hanger for 3 years ago. Some say eleminate all enemies. Those cause you to eleminate all enemies.
I understand what they want now- thanks for the info from the handful of people who read the actual problem I have with the post. That it is called a get item mission, and when I got the items and needed to move on- GM's just said-"mission not complete, have a nice day"
And for the uber miners who kept saying bingo- you didnt mine it with your main- i enjoy that all the other folks whom have finished it with alts posted here and showed these noobs how funny they sound...thanks to the few folks at the end who have a brain- to the others, ...fill in blank...
Oh, and to the gent who said insulting people isnt smart, right after he posted I was wrong for using and alt...first off- If i insult you enough, you might come to 0.0 to kill me, which is awesome, second- The interweb isnt real, nor is this game- so its only a virtual insult- so you should virtually not care...heheheh
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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.01 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
Lots of idiots defending bad game mechanics in this thread. I'm so surprised.
IMO, pass on all missions that require for you to obtain a "specific item" unless it's damsel in distress.
I applaud you wet ferret-
As far as those who dont like my attitude- it breaks my heart- can I send you isk so that you will be my friends?
Interestingly- since the nice dev deleted my posting of the GM's responses, a bulk of this is taken out of context, and it could have been avoided if the crappy GM's would have explained what a few of you actually did-
the first few responses were arrogant, and then the super posters pointed out that I have to mine it myself...lulz. I think about 90% of you are moons, and a few of you actually see my frustration.
I accidentally accepted this dumb mission, trust me- its been about a year since i have been in empire, and i decided to run a few missions before our next wave of attacks on bad guys in 0.0...
Lesson learned, stay out of empire except with logistics alts.
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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.01 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Barton Foley
Originally by: Mendolus
Edited by: Mendolus on 01/04/2010 17:35:23
Originally by: Darth Matt
I think about 90% of you are moons
lolwut?
That's no moon.
No, ITS A TARP!
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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.02 00:25:00 -
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Edited by: Darth Matt on 02/04/2010 00:25:10
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Darth Matt
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.04.03 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Liteshow
Edited by: Liteshow on 02/04/2010 17:19:16
Originally by: Aliraxi
Edited by: Aliraxi on 02/04/2010 16:39:36
So to clarify (because I feel like helping the unfortunate public):
Originally by: Aliraxi
1) Mission always has exact amount
yes
Originally by: Aliraxi
2) Must be mined out completely within one downtime
yes, to complete it.
Originally by: Aliraxi
3) Must be mined with character who got the mission
no. as lng as the char that pulled the mission has possession of the ore in the end, it desn't matter who mined it.
Originally by: Aliraxi
4) Must be brought to corresponding station and in one stack
Not neccessarily. I believe it all has to be either in ship's cargo or hangar, but doesn't have to be stacked.
Originally by: Aliraxi
Am I correct in this?
2/4 
edit: quote semi-fail
A++ to Liteshow
F-- to the guy who doesnt like my name...your hung up on that ...really? Btw- my coolness is cool on levels which cool can no longer be measured. I wish I was you so I could read what I write and be envious..
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